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archangels ghosts and Bigfoot oh my it's

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just another night for Supernatural

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girls real stories real answers to

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life's biggest supernatural mysteries

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and now further exciting interview with

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paranormal experts from this world and

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others here's your host paranormal

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welcome everyone to another exciting

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episode of supernatural girls i am your

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host patricia baker and i'm here with my

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co-host numerologist PK hi PK how are

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you tonight absolutely fabulous I am

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just chomping at the bit to get a chance

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to talk with Larry if this is just so

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exciting this is an exciting show that

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we have planned tonight Larry Holcomb

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has generously offered to come on our

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show with his incredible book my god we

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were both just talking about it we

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couldn't put it down the presidents and

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UFOs oh my gosh look everybody in the

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audience you've got to run out and you

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got to get this book it is terrific it's

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filled with excellent information we're

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going to be talking about all of this

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stuff tonight will be taking calls from

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the audience and taking questions from

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people in the chat room hey if you want

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to call in here's the number it's 88 89

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way off so we don't get any feedback and

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we can hear you loud and clear but this

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is going to be one exciting show right

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PK o not a doubt in my mind I'm so

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excited about it all I couldn't put the

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book down could not put it down yes it's

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excellent he's done an incredible

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job so but let's talk a little bit about

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paranormal news now I went looking for

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some UFO stories and believe me the UFOs

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in the news today are not hard to find

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there's a lot of sightings going on did

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you see all of those sightings that i

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sent you today yes I did oh my gosh well

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this one really caught my eye it was a

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massive alien spacecraft around the size

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of the US state of idaho and it was

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recent NASA pictures they say the object

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definitely has a structure so this is

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not just a light in the sky up there

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it's a structure and they're saying that

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every time they ask NASA about these

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UFOs they're seeing they get ignored I

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wonder why we're going to find out when

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we talk to Larry Holcomb our guests are

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for sure they don't like us to know

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anything and isn't it wonderful that

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we've got people like Larry that's

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bringing it all out in the open for the

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rest of us to understand that's right

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thank God people like Larry we do need

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to know we should know all about this it

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shouldn't be kept from us now there was

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another photograph i sent you and I got

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to put this up on our website because it

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made me laugh out loud the newscasters

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in South America did you see that one I

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can't get a chance to thoroughly go over

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well it's funny because they're facing

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news and right in the background is this

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everybody to see that was just too good

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too good but next week well actually let

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vision radio it's a great show it's on

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a Girl Scout murders you may wonder why

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this and it's because this story besides

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to report on because of the tragic

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people who knows all of the intimate

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details about the paranormal events with

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it involving the Oklahoma Girl Scout

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murder so don't miss it that's going to

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be part one tomorrow night on inception

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radio network now next week PK and I

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medicine man and also psychic medium

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underneath all of these events these are

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two shows you've met you just make sure

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you listen they're going to be

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incredible this is the this this is just

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the ultimate battle between the light

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and the darkness sets for sure that is

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for sure it's incredible to think that

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all of this is going to be brought

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really going to be great because Renee

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is going to go through the actual facts

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of the case what happened with the

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investigators she's bringing on her show

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tomorrow night and then we're going to

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case it's going to be a blockbuster so

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be sure to tune in to both shows

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everybody now let's say we've got

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us play into us well what's going to

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happen tomorrow is everybody it's it's

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going to be about partnerships

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relationships and sensitivity the month

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our pets things of that nature but

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sensitive to everything ongoing it the

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both the day and the month the numbers

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of which are deal with relationships

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partnerships and marriage love divorce

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all of that good stuff so if you're

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walking on the edge stay away from your

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partner for the day give yourself a

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break have my summer if you want to

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really try to make it work go for the

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gusto because you're gonna have every

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opportunity to to make your side of it

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known nice wow so partnerships here we

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come that's gonna be all day tomorrow

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huh sure okay I gotta decide where I'm

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me but it's a long way for coffee is a

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presidents and UFOs Larry's an

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investigator and he is an expert in this

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field and we are going to hear all the

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stuff that we need to hear and summon

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sup we probably don't want to hear but

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it's true and larry has dug deep for

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everybody and here he is Larry welcome

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well delighted to be here ladies uh

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up to it oh you will and Ned sup I'm

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sure yes so Larry do tell us please in

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our audience we all want to know how did

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you get involved in this what started

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to tell you that is going to expose my

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my elder years but by my exposure to

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thing I love to do and in high school

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about the only thing I like to do but in

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literature and I was fascinated with

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aircraft and and the subject of flying

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saucers was had really become very well

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captivated by bike hijos passion in his

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writings that the Air Force was deeply

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which is what it was known as then and

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that they were concealing evidence that

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they had Kehoe was a retired Marine

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Corps aviator and had been doing

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freelance writing for a number of

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primarily a men's magazine he was called

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Washington or called in New York by the

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editor of true magazine ken w pretty and

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pretty I told him that he wanted him to

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go and investigate this new Flying

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Saucer issue that was making headlines

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world and killed in 20 parts of it

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really he didn't like the idea thought

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involved in it but pretty convinced him

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that he had out knowing that he had

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high-level contacts in the Pentagon to

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Gordon investigate it and write an

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article and so kyo reluctantly accepted

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the would occur pretty requested and

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within a year he went from a skeptic to

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a true believer after interviewing

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numbers of Air Force pilots people

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within the Pentagon who had investigated

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the subject from the old project sign

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investigation of flying saucers which

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then evolved into project grudge which

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outfit propaganda I was that one of the

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ones that was kind of covering things up

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and finding like some excuse projects on

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project grudge came about because

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projects signed the personnel and

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1940s did investigations into the you of

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all the flying saucer phenomenon as it

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they ended up after I think the thing

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that sort of pushed them over the cliff

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was the famous child's whited eastern

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airline event over southeastern United

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date of which escapes me but in any case

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that pushed him over the edge and they

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wrote an estimate of the situation which

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pilots and in airline pilots most likely

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were extraterrestrial in origin and this

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estimate of the situation was passed up

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like a hot potato through the chain of

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command and the Pentagon and ended up on

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general Hoyt Vandenberg's desk and

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Vandenberg said in essence hell no we're

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not going to do this we're going to this

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is this is not this is not going public

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I'll bat it back down and redo it take

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this this extraterrestrial information

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or reference to extraterrestrials out of

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it we don't have enough evidence that's

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what it is but we're not going public

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with this so that really spelled the

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demise for project sign which was really

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the truly only investigative office

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within the Air Force that did any real

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true UFO investigations except for the

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early years of Project Blue Book and an

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Deborah Pelt but so you found this all

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very intriguing as we all have to it's

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it's just an intriguing situation but

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then it gets frustrating because in your

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book is and in other books but your book

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especially there's a mountain of

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evidence a mountain at least one maybe

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ten mountains of evidence that are

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pointing to the

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the truth that these things are real

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they existed they visited us for for

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many many years but something happened

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with Truman can you tell us exactly how

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this started because as you went as I

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went through the book and PK went to the

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book we were amazed to see there was

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some presidents in the know and some not

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but with Truman he kind of took it out

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of the government's hands in those

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government as we know it and he put it

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with another another group can you tell

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us what happened there the straw that

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broke the camel's back was in 1952 with

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the great Washington merry-go-round as

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it's been called and this is when a

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numbers of UFOs overflew Washington and

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respected the restricted airspace over

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the Capitol and the White House for that

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matter on to weekend nights in July the

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dates of which were I think july 19th

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and 20th in the 26 and 27 to saturday

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nights that went into the sunday

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mornings where these these craft showed

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up on radar these these objects showed

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up on radar jets were scrambled on the

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first weekend night and when they

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arrived over Washington with the Jets

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arrived over Washington the objects took

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off when the Jets went back to the base

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the objects returned and this one on

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from almost eight o'clock at night until

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dawn the next morning the same thing

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happened on the next Saturday night into

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Sunday morning the difference was jeff's

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jets were scrambled and at the request

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of al chop who was Air Force public

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relations head of Air Force public

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relations at the time he was in the

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control tower at Washington National

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Airport and he requested jets to be

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scramble that second night when the Jets

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arrived

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the objects didn't leave they stayed

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there and one jet had a number of

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objects five or six or seven however

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many started to converge on the jet and

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surround the jet and close in on it the

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pilot really was panicking and he

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radioed what should i do what do you

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want me to do meaning should I fire on

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right at that instant the objects took

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off and they were some of the recorded

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speeds was its 7,000 miles an hour

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obviously we didn't have our craft in

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those days that comply 7,000 miles an

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hour that prompted President Truman that

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made headlines big headlines around the

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world and that made Truman who was

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pretty crusty as people low with his

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language and all do tell his military

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aid Air Force aid general Landry just to

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find out what the hell's going on get

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out there and find out I want answers

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from that uh doubles the news conference

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hell trying to get through this quickly

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there was a news conference held one of

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the largest news conference the Air

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Force had held since the Second World

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War and a general Samford was in charge

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of the press conference and he went

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through a lot of rigmarole and said a

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lot of nothing but ended up by saying

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that what the radar operators saw and

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this was not only washington national

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but Andrews Air Force Base was seeing

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the same thing all their radars and they

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were talking back and forth between

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Andrews Air Force Base and Washington

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National tower see now this is I think a

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perfect example of you know when people

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say well why don't they land on the

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White House lawn well they kind of

382
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already did and we have witnesses we

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have radar reports from more than look

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place and so it has already happened

385
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and yet people still are in the dark

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they're saying well we don't know if

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it's really how could this not be real

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in 1952 these these flying saucers we're

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going 7,000 miles an hour and then when

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as you mentioned the jets were scrambled

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they played a game of cat and mouse they

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disappear they'd reappear I mean all of

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these things point to the reality of

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spaceships UFOs little green men this

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these ships were not from here well

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general Sanford said they attend the

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conference that they were temperature

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inversions which was completely oh one

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of the people that came out and said

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it's absolute stupidity was uh dr. James

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E McDonald he's one of my heroes in UFO

402
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:01,680
research dr. McDonald's as you do all

403
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:04,650
I'm sure you all know famed atmospheric

404
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physicists that university of arizona

405
00:21:13,670 --> 00:21:10,410
and and study the subject for some six

406
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years i think it ended up resulting in

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MacDonald said it was ridiculous the the

408
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controllers in the tower were incensed

409
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that the Air Force put out a report that

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they who had the lives of civilians in

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their hundreds and thousands of

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civilians in their hands couldn't tell

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the difference between the temperature

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inversion and a hard target so but the

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pep the press as they have over and over

416
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and over again bought the story case

417
00:21:56,180 --> 00:21:52,440
closed and then we get into the

418
00:22:01,580 --> 00:21:56,190
Robertson panel which ended up was a

419
00:22:04,430 --> 00:22:01,590
result of this event and ended up saying

420
00:22:07,070 --> 00:22:04,440
that UFOs should be debunked to the

421
00:22:09,260 --> 00:22:07,080
public this was all done in secret that

422
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:09,270
UFOs should be debunked to the public

423
00:22:15,890 --> 00:22:13,050
that the CIA the intelligence community

424
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:15,900
and the government should debunk these

425
00:22:20,530 --> 00:22:18,530
reports and civilian

426
00:22:24,010 --> 00:22:20,540
oops that are interested in them should

427
00:22:25,900 --> 00:22:24,020
be closely monitored so she you know

428
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:25,910
you've got you but you've got the

429
00:22:33,870 --> 00:22:30,050
beginnings of a real real cover up that

430
00:22:37,150 --> 00:22:33,880
continues today and has exploded

431
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:37,160
exponentially but yes because I mean

432
00:22:43,210 --> 00:22:40,250
it's where it started with Truman and

433
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:43,220
how he brought this more to a level of

434
00:22:49,330 --> 00:22:46,970
high security and whatever alphabet

435
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:49,340
agencies he decided to involve in this I

436
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:51,650
don't know but he certainly did move

437
00:22:58,260 --> 00:22:55,730
this step many steps closer to the hands

438
00:23:02,500 --> 00:22:58,270
of those agencies and away from the

439
00:23:07,140 --> 00:23:02,510
president's well let me let me I skipped

440
00:23:10,180 --> 00:23:07,150
over something yeah go ahead the Truman

441
00:23:12,420 --> 00:23:10,190
and this is debated within with you o

442
00:23:15,940 --> 00:23:12,430
Allah gist but I believe it's a fact

443
00:23:18,940 --> 00:23:15,950
Truman established a group of people

444
00:23:24,510 --> 00:23:18,950
called majestic 12 mj-12 which was a

445
00:23:29,950 --> 00:23:24,520
group of six high-level the top notch

446
00:23:36,370 --> 00:23:29,960
scientists and six very highly esteemed

447
00:23:42,750 --> 00:23:36,380
military field officer of general

448
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:42,760
officers and admirals and majestic 12

449
00:23:51,130 --> 00:23:46,880
was the group The Truman set up to

450
00:23:55,420 --> 00:23:51,140
investigate you of flying saucers or

451
00:23:59,800 --> 00:23:55,430
UFOs and report back to the president

452
00:24:02,200 --> 00:23:59,810
that was there charged that the is it

453
00:24:05,530 --> 00:24:02,210
said of a Truman the buck stops here he

454
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:05,540
wanted all information all UFO all

455
00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:07,520
flying saucer information to be

456
00:24:11,860 --> 00:24:10,130
controlled by the president the

457
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:11,870
president would have absolute control

458
00:24:21,130 --> 00:24:16,010
over this information this moved forward

459
00:24:25,180 --> 00:24:21,140
into the Eisenhower administration but

460
00:24:26,620 --> 00:24:25,190
it is my belief going back to boy we've

461
00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:26,630
got to skip around here a bit but going

462
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:29,110
back to Roswell I think we have

463
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:31,890
recovered extraterrestrial

464
00:24:38,780 --> 00:24:35,850
craft of some fashion I definitely I

465
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:38,790
personally believe the craft were probes

466
00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:42,330
I think they were expendable probes sent

467
00:24:48,830 --> 00:24:46,200
from if you will motherships just like

468
00:24:51,290 --> 00:24:48,840
we send probes to the moon under Mars of

469
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:51,300
the Venus or wherever I think these were

470
00:24:58,990 --> 00:24:53,610
probes and these probes were expendable

471
00:25:04,190 --> 00:24:59,000
I think they had some type of living

472
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:04,200
being in them that was probably part of

473
00:25:08,780 --> 00:25:06,930
the craft these were engineered beings

474
00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:08,790
these were living beings but they were

475
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:14,940
engineered beings and can I back that up

476
00:25:21,170 --> 00:25:18,960
with hard fact no but after doing a

477
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:21,180
great deal of research and spending a

478
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:23,250
lot of time in presidential libraries I

479
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:24,930
think that I think that's the most

480
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:28,530
logical answer and these beings and the

481
00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:31,530
probes that they were in or that they

482
00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:34,380
were part of were expendable that's why

483
00:25:41,420 --> 00:25:37,080
they weren't come the the the the the

484
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:41,430
people that were handling them that were

485
00:25:46,250 --> 00:25:43,650
controlling them didn't come and pick

486
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:46,260
them up I mean perhaps they wanted us to

487
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:48,930
have them perhaps it was the beginning

488
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:54,450
of a long term of disclosure I don't

489
00:25:59,840 --> 00:25:57,450
know that's that's pure speculation but

490
00:26:04,310 --> 00:25:59,850
I thought I think I think these were

491
00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:04,320
expendable probes and thing and I think

492
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:09,000
that's I think we had this material and

493
00:26:14,540 --> 00:26:11,490
I think this material was turned over to

494
00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:14,550
the intelligence community and from that

495
00:26:20,660 --> 00:26:17,940
to the military-industrial complex for

496
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:20,670
study and I think a great deal of money

497
00:26:29,570 --> 00:26:26,730
was was given to the study of these

498
00:26:32,810 --> 00:26:29,580
these artifacts and where you have a lot

499
00:26:36,020 --> 00:26:32,820
of money you start amassing a lot of

500
00:26:38,570 --> 00:26:36,030
power and I think that in the later

501
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:38,580
years of the of the Eisenhower

502
00:26:45,170 --> 00:26:42,720
administration the power that Truman

503
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:45,180
envisioned the president having

504
00:26:53,420 --> 00:26:49,730
over this issue was wrenched away from

505
00:26:56,540 --> 00:26:53,430
the White House and the end the

506
00:27:00,320 --> 00:26:56,550
president and taken into the hands of

507
00:27:02,990 --> 00:27:00,330
the intelligence community and at the

508
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:03,000
very highest highest levels the

509
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:05,970
military-industrial complex and I think

510
00:27:11,780 --> 00:27:08,010
that's where it's gone today I think

511
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:11,790
today President Snow really very little

512
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:14,930
about the subject I think that it's

513
00:27:24,140 --> 00:27:20,810
controlled deep within the the the black

514
00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:24,150
operations of our government and the

515
00:27:29,780 --> 00:27:26,310
intelligence community and there are

516
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:29,790
very few people i call them the keepers

517
00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:34,080
of the secret who make the decision on

518
00:27:42,140 --> 00:27:37,230
what President Snow and what presidents

519
00:27:45,290 --> 00:27:42,150
don't know depending on how they view

520
00:27:47,270 --> 00:27:45,300
the particular person how they view the

521
00:27:50,450 --> 00:27:47,280
person that's occupying the White House

522
00:27:54,770 --> 00:27:50,460
and how much he or she will be briefed

523
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:54,780
on this subject so that's in a nutshell

524
00:27:59,720 --> 00:27:58,050
I think where we are yeah and I totally

525
00:28:02,200 --> 00:27:59,730
agree with you I think that's a really

526
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:02,210
good assessment of what's happening and

527
00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:05,610
at the same time it's uh it's it's a

528
00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:08,940
little bit disconcerting that so much of

529
00:28:14,270 --> 00:28:11,220
this is in the hands of people who are

530
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:14,280
not accountable to us as citizens and

531
00:28:19,550 --> 00:28:16,710
also you must be talking about security

532
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:19,560
clearances that go far above the

533
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:21,930
President's head I've heard there's like

534
00:28:27,740 --> 00:28:24,960
35 security clearances that go above the

535
00:28:30,980 --> 00:28:27,750
president have you heard that yeah top

536
00:28:34,460 --> 00:28:30,990
secret top secret clearance is really is

537
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:34,470
really nothing it's uh you've got you've

538
00:28:41,540 --> 00:28:37,410
got security clearances of all types

539
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:41,550
that are above top secret you know we

540
00:28:46,790 --> 00:28:44,490
hear of top secret altro II we hear of

541
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:46,800
all sorts of levels but they're all

542
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:50,490
they're all there are many levels above

543
00:28:57,740 --> 00:28:54,960
top secret that involve various things

544
00:29:00,920 --> 00:28:57,750
be the experimental

545
00:29:03,550 --> 00:29:00,930
craft such as the stealth aircraft that

546
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:03,560
was secret for 20 years people say that

547
00:29:09,860 --> 00:29:06,090
the government can't keep secrets that's

548
00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:09,870
baloney you know I think the government

549
00:29:17,780 --> 00:29:14,400
may not be able to keep political

550
00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:17,790
secrets mm-hmm but they can very well

551
00:29:23,660 --> 00:29:20,760
keep secrets that are that involved

552
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:23,670
national security and national defense

553
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:25,290
and that's two different things

554
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:28,710
altogether political secrets are or just

555
00:29:37,450 --> 00:29:33,930
that they they are politicians of

556
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:37,460
blabbermouths true and and and

557
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:40,260
bureaucrats deep within the government

558
00:29:48,370 --> 00:29:43,050
are very accustomed to keeping secrets

559
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:48,380
as are the very high level officials of

560
00:29:53,090 --> 00:29:50,610
corporations that operate within the

561
00:29:55,850 --> 00:29:53,100
military industrial complex we've got to

562
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:55,860
go to a commercial break Larry but again

563
00:30:00,290 --> 00:29:56,940
everybody you're listening to

564
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:00,300
supernatural girls radio with your host

565
00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:02,850
that's me Patricia Baker and my co-host

566
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:06,150
PK and our incredible guest tonight

567
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:07,650
Larry Holcomb who is the author of

568
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:11,760
presidents and UFOs everybody stay tuned

569
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:14,850
we will be right back welcome back

570
00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:17,520
everyone you aren't listening to

571
00:30:22,340 --> 00:30:19,740
supernatural girls radio I'm your host

572
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:22,350
Patricia Baker I'm here with my co-host

573
00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:26,910
PK and our guest tonight fascinating

574
00:30:32,270 --> 00:30:30,120
Larry Holcomb who is the author of a

575
00:30:34,580 --> 00:30:32,280
terrific book if you don't have it you

576
00:30:36,740 --> 00:30:34,590
got to get a copy you'll be like we were

577
00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:36,750
we couldn't put it down the presidents

578
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,120
and UFOs a secret history from FDR to

579
00:30:47,390 --> 00:30:44,880
Obama and Larry you got some big news

580
00:30:50,990 --> 00:30:47,400
that we want to have you share with our

581
00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:51,000
audience tonight about your book it was

582
00:31:00,770 --> 00:30:56,580
just optioned for a movie well yeah oh

583
00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:00,780
yeah I appreciate you asking yes I just

584
00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:05,100
got final word from my agent this

585
00:31:09,420 --> 00:31:07,320
afternoon that the deal is done and

586
00:31:12,650 --> 00:31:09,430
signed and sealed and the

587
00:31:18,260 --> 00:31:12,660
sending me the documents to sign Sony

588
00:31:22,650 --> 00:31:21,030
congratulations that is so exciting and

589
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:22,660
so many people are going to want to see

590
00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:25,360
this movie because again we're all

591
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:27,940
hungry for the real facts we want to

592
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:30,130
know what's going on and you've put them

593
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:32,890
all together beautifully in your book so

594
00:31:37,410 --> 00:31:34,690
now people will get to watch it as well

595
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:37,420
congratulations thank you thank you

596
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:40,570
we're pretty excited about excited about

597
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:43,450
I don't know now what Sony's going to do

598
00:31:50,580 --> 00:31:46,330
with it they have the option and I

599
00:31:54,390 --> 00:31:50,590
understand that I have from my agent

600
00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:54,400
that they already their options started

601
00:32:00,600 --> 00:31:58,930
actually about six weeks ago and that

602
00:32:04,410 --> 00:32:00,610
they are looking for screenwriters so

603
00:32:09,780 --> 00:32:04,420
whether it's going to be an actual film

604
00:32:13,910 --> 00:32:09,790
made whether it will be a miniseries for

605
00:32:17,790 --> 00:32:13,920
television such as the miniseries on HBO

606
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:17,800
I don't know oh there's they're all

607
00:32:23,940 --> 00:32:21,910
sorts of yeah there's all kinds of

608
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:23,950
broadcast outlets today for something

609
00:32:28,170 --> 00:32:25,840
like this but I'll tell you what we're

610
00:32:30,930 --> 00:32:28,180
outside to put this it's going to be

611
00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:30,940
watched by millions that's for sure it's

612
00:32:35,910 --> 00:32:33,550
so intriguing it's just incredible to

613
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:35,920
think all of this is taking place well

614
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:41,890
we're alive yes well I I tried to in

615
00:32:49,230 --> 00:32:45,370
writing the book I wanted to appeal or I

616
00:32:51,630 --> 00:32:49,240
wanted to direct the book to you all

617
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:51,640
read the book and you know that I called

618
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:55,600
folks the casual observer that is the

619
00:33:01,470 --> 00:32:58,330
person that that has an interest in the

620
00:33:05,370 --> 00:33:01,480
subject and i think that there's a huge

621
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:05,380
amount of folks around the world that

622
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:07,930
have an interest in this subject but

623
00:33:13,740 --> 00:33:10,240
really know very little about it they

624
00:33:16,020 --> 00:33:13,750
they only know there was some of the

625
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:16,030
silly stuff that you see on television

626
00:33:21,510 --> 00:33:17,650
some of the

627
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:21,520
ridiculous things that you see some of

628
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:23,200
these documentaries that come over to

629
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:26,770
come out and that just drive me crazy

630
00:33:31,950 --> 00:33:29,050
because they are they are inaccurate

631
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:31,960
their facts are not accurate and they

632
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:34,690
are making assumptions that they

633
00:33:42,990 --> 00:33:38,530
shouldn't be making but i wanted so i

634
00:33:48,290 --> 00:33:43,000
wanted a book that would sort of be a

635
00:33:53,550 --> 00:33:48,300
textbook 101 if you would for modern-day

636
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:53,560
UFO g from the 1940s from the Roosevelt

637
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,410
era forward and what really went on

638
00:34:00,810 --> 00:33:58,480
behind the scenes what really went on

639
00:34:03,660 --> 00:34:00,820
with in the Air Force and how much

640
00:34:05,670 --> 00:34:03,670
discord there was for instance as you

641
00:34:11,490 --> 00:34:05,680
all read in the book within the Air

642
00:34:14,130 --> 00:34:11,500
Force in the 1940s in the 1950s and and

643
00:34:16,620 --> 00:34:14,140
and how many blows the Air Force took

644
00:34:19,740 --> 00:34:16,630
over and over again when they would come

645
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:19,750
out and make statements of fact that

646
00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:23,919
turned out to be blatant lies and let me

647
00:34:31,740 --> 00:34:27,250
make it clear here to all the listeners

648
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:31,750
that I have the greatest respect in the

649
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:34,240
world for the military I really do and

650
00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:36,330
the Air Force I think the Air Force is a

651
00:34:41,820 --> 00:34:39,250
marvelous branch of service and all of

652
00:34:47,610 --> 00:34:41,830
the people in service Harvey Navy

653
00:34:51,419 --> 00:34:47,620
Marines Coast Guard they they all do a

654
00:34:54,169 --> 00:34:51,429
fantastic job and and and and so many

655
00:34:58,290 --> 00:34:54,179
have given their lives for our country

656
00:35:01,490 --> 00:34:58,300
but I think in the Air Force and the

657
00:35:05,310 --> 00:35:01,500
government's handling of the UFO issue

658
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:05,320
their handling of it has been idiotic

659
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:09,760
and despicable oh yeah we with you

660
00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:12,850
because it makes they point fingers at

661
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,390
people who are highly trained at people

662
00:35:21,450 --> 00:35:18,640
who work on radar as you mentioned every

663
00:35:23,340 --> 00:35:21,460
day and they they make them look or

664
00:35:24,690 --> 00:35:23,350
sound stupid like they don't know what

665
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:24,700
they're talking about nothing could be

666
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:26,730
further from the truth they are

667
00:35:31,530 --> 00:35:30,910
disparaging to abductees also they go on

668
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:31,540
a big

669
00:35:37,740 --> 00:35:34,330
campaign against these people who have

670
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:37,750
suffered through abductions and all of

671
00:35:43,950 --> 00:35:40,330
this is I agree we agree this is

672
00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:43,960
despicable this is not fair treatment of

673
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:47,820
the American public I don't know

674
00:35:56,490 --> 00:35:53,290
abduction is is not my strong suit my my

675
00:36:02,070 --> 00:35:56,500
background really involves the study of

676
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:02,080
flying saucers and UFOs and not even so

677
00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:06,850
much of who occupies them but just the

678
00:36:11,610 --> 00:36:09,070
craft themselves and what they do and

679
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:11,620
because you have to specialize in an

680
00:36:17,790 --> 00:36:14,170
earlier you we're talking about when you

681
00:36:20,910 --> 00:36:17,800
talk about UFOs you're talking about a

682
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:20,920
subject that is that has so many roots

683
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:24,250
and branches running from it that you

684
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:26,850
could we could spend hours discussing

685
00:36:35,370 --> 00:36:30,880
why the the media doesn't cover it

686
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:35,380
properly oh why who the the debunkers

687
00:36:40,650 --> 00:36:38,320
are and why they debunk it and so on and

688
00:36:43,380 --> 00:36:40,660
so forth it goes on forever and ever so

689
00:36:46,830 --> 00:36:43,390
you have to focus on one thing but

690
00:36:49,530 --> 00:36:46,840
abductions is a very important part of

691
00:36:55,380 --> 00:36:49,540
it and i think the abductees have been

692
00:37:00,060 --> 00:36:55,390
treated in many cases terribly i am good

693
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:00,070
friends with kathleen martin who is head

694
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:05,440
of muffins abduction division if you

695
00:37:11,850 --> 00:37:08,530
will think I'm sure that's not Kathy's

696
00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:11,860
exact title but that's that's that is

697
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:14,380
odd but that's what she's in charge over

698
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,570
this axis she was on our show Larry she

699
00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:18,640
was delightful and very oh is that right

700
00:37:25,830 --> 00:37:22,150
yes I was just with Kathy and Stan

701
00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:25,840
freedom at Roswell a couple weeks ago

702
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:30,900
and and Kathy if you know the book

703
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:33,520
helped me out greatly in the abduction

704
00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:36,370
chapter because I don't know abductions

705
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,470
but I thought that they were so

706
00:37:42,810 --> 00:37:40,960
important the topic was so important

707
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:42,820
that it needed to be covered my boy

708
00:37:48,690 --> 00:37:46,570
can I ask Kathy to include if she would

709
00:37:51,330 --> 00:37:48,700
help me with it which he did she sent me

710
00:37:54,990 --> 00:37:51,340
a paper that she had had written

711
00:37:59,070 --> 00:37:55,000
previously she could not get into it

712
00:38:03,330 --> 00:37:59,080
actively then because she was just her

713
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:03,340
new book with the nice toner had just

714
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:05,290
been released and she was turning around

715
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:08,170
the country promoting that book but she

716
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:10,240
did a great deal for me and I'm indebted

717
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:14,820
to Kathy in she is she's a fine person

718
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:18,640
delightful person and yeah and she

719
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:21,010
explains it very well in that chapter in

720
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:22,480
your book it's it's a very well-written

721
00:38:27,930 --> 00:38:26,110
chapter on abduction and it just goes

722
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:27,940
through a lot of different things about

723
00:38:34,860 --> 00:38:29,890
it but certainly this is part and parcel

724
00:38:37,170 --> 00:38:34,870
as you mention of a huge huge area and

725
00:38:38,610 --> 00:38:37,180
it's again I just want to urge everybody

726
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:38,620
to buy your book again it's the

727
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:41,170
presidents and UFOs a secret history

728
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:44,560
from FDR to Obama because it is very

729
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:48,130
clear you have written a book that is so

730
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:51,610
clear and so easy to read and understand

731
00:38:56,970 --> 00:38:54,730
how things progress the way they did and

732
00:38:59,970 --> 00:38:56,980
again this is based on as much

733
00:39:03,660 --> 00:38:59,980
information as you could garner in this

734
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:03,670
whole this whole just long history of

735
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,130
secrecy you did a great job but there's

736
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:09,040
still a lot of Secrets now one of the

737
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:12,250
things I want to ask you Larry is you

738
00:39:17,310 --> 00:39:15,610
know why why did they feel they have to

739
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:17,320
keep it secret from the American public

740
00:39:24,540 --> 00:39:20,970
what's your opinion on that technology

741
00:39:26,130 --> 00:39:24,550
the google word and technology this that

742
00:39:29,130 --> 00:39:26,140
you know everybody's got a theory about

743
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:29,140
it that the the world economy would

744
00:39:36,860 --> 00:39:32,970
collapse a religion would collapse I

745
00:39:39,570 --> 00:39:36,870
don't behind of that a you know we've

746
00:39:42,780 --> 00:39:39,580
what Truman did after the Second World

747
00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:42,790
War as I say in the book was I think

748
00:39:49,260 --> 00:39:45,160
perfectly reasonable we were a country

749
00:39:53,410 --> 00:39:49,270
we were a world that was torn apart by a

750
00:40:01,010 --> 00:39:56,840
we had what was it 50 million people

751
00:40:06,110 --> 00:40:01,020
died sixteen hundred cities were

752
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:06,120
destroyed the the fabric of the

753
00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:08,370
population of the world not only our

754
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,380
country but the world was for it was

755
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:13,200
very fragile and to come out and say

756
00:40:19,970 --> 00:40:18,000
that their mystery craft that flying in

757
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:19,980
and out of our airspace and I our

758
00:40:25,610 --> 00:40:22,290
atmosphere at will and we can't do

759
00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:25,620
anything about them that would be that

760
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:27,480
would be a very smart thing to do so i

761
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:30,570
think what Truman did in concealing it

762
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:33,450
then was proper I think that as time

763
00:40:41,630 --> 00:40:36,690
went on and we got into the Atomic Age

764
00:40:43,820 --> 00:40:41,640
and people lived under the fear of mass

765
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:43,830
destruction or mutually assured

766
00:40:54,770 --> 00:40:51,690
destruction which was called mad and we

767
00:40:57,530 --> 00:40:54,780
saw the advances in space and and and

768
00:41:00,620 --> 00:40:57,540
people landing on the moon we became a

769
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:00,630
more sophisticated people so today I

770
00:41:09,140 --> 00:41:05,280
think that the people if the news came

771
00:41:12,130 --> 00:41:09,150
out and said well yeah it's been proven

772
00:41:14,420 --> 00:41:12,140
that we have been visited by

773
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:14,430
extraterrestrial visitors people would

774
00:41:20,420 --> 00:41:17,010
say gee that's really something then

775
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:20,430
they go about their lives of business

776
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:23,130
sir you know and I I think that we've

777
00:41:31,550 --> 00:41:26,490
become that sophisticated so to go back

778
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:31,560
to your original question why because we

779
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:37,730
have gotten artifacts that lead to

780
00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:40,650
advances great advances in technology

781
00:41:47,090 --> 00:41:43,260
and we don't want to share that with

782
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:47,100
anybody friend or foe other countries

783
00:41:54,140 --> 00:41:52,020
have also i think gotten this technology

784
00:41:57,820 --> 00:41:54,150
I think that I think the Russians have

785
00:42:00,560 --> 00:41:57,830
gotten it the English have gotten

786
00:42:05,630 --> 00:42:00,570
probably South American countries China

787
00:42:07,609 --> 00:42:05,640
they've had crashes reported crashes I

788
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:07,619
that they all have it and I think that's

789
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:11,220
why it's it's it's has been concealed

790
00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:16,079
for so long although I see some of these

791
00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:18,329
countries starting to open up like

792
00:42:27,140 --> 00:42:23,400
France with a Camaro report becoming

793
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:27,150
more open but yet they say the United

794
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:29,700
States standing alone like this stupid

795
00:42:36,740 --> 00:42:32,690
ostrich with his head stuck in the sand

796
00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:36,750
but we just don't like everything yeah

797
00:42:41,660 --> 00:42:39,240
and you know here's my question to to

798
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:41,670
you about that then this is where the

799
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:45,599
abductees come into play do you think do

800
00:42:49,490 --> 00:42:47,130
you believe from the research you've

801
00:42:53,230 --> 00:42:49,500
done that it's pointing in the direction

802
00:42:56,450 --> 00:42:53,240
that a deal was made for

803
00:42:59,720 --> 00:42:56,460
extraterrestrials to take human subjects

804
00:43:01,789 --> 00:42:59,730
at will and return them as they saw fit

805
00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:01,799
I mean was there a deal made like that

806
00:43:12,249 --> 00:43:07,319
do you think let me say that that's in

807
00:43:17,779 --> 00:43:12,259
my dubious final this I've done a lot of

808
00:43:22,089 --> 00:43:17,789
research into President Eisenhower's

809
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:22,099
supposed meeting with extraterrestrials

810
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,700
in 1954 at muir of the old Muroc Air

811
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,440
Force Base which is now Edwards Air

812
00:43:39,019 --> 00:43:33,599
Force Base while vacationing in Palm

813
00:43:40,759 --> 00:43:39,029
Springs I don't bind to that story for a

814
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,769
couple reasons first of all it said that

815
00:43:45,859 --> 00:43:42,720
he was out of the public view 48 hours

816
00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:45,869
or from eight o'clock that night until

817
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:47,400
he went to church at nine o'clock the

818
00:43:55,279 --> 00:43:50,220
next morning he played golf that day

819
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:55,289
would Ben Hogan and had lunch I think at

820
00:43:59,599 --> 00:43:58,319
the burning forget what to not the

821
00:44:01,370 --> 00:43:59,609
burning tree club they knew it doesn't

822
00:44:05,029 --> 00:44:01,380
make any difference he had lunch in Palm

823
00:44:08,059 --> 00:44:05,039
Springs with the golfers and it's very

824
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:08,069
hard for me to believe first of all they

825
00:44:12,109 --> 00:44:09,690
said he was out of sight of the public

826
00:44:14,509 --> 00:44:12,119
and it had chipped a tooth eating fried

827
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:14,519
chicken and had to have a emergency

828
00:44:19,170 --> 00:44:18,240
dental work done late that night well

829
00:44:21,780 --> 00:44:19,180
that's I don't

830
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:21,790
find anything particularly unusual about

831
00:44:25,770 --> 00:44:23,530
the president united states mean into

832
00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:25,780
the public view from eight o'clock one

833
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:27,910
night until nine o'clock the next

834
00:44:32,430 --> 00:44:30,250
morning when he went to church i mean my

835
00:44:34,170 --> 00:44:32,440
god they don't have television cameras

836
00:44:39,780 --> 00:44:34,180
in the president's bedroom to watch him

837
00:44:42,450 --> 00:44:39,790
all night long so that that instance is

838
00:44:46,349 --> 00:44:42,460
is a pill and the fact that he played

839
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:46,359
golf with some famous golfers and then

840
00:44:51,690 --> 00:44:48,970
flew to Muroc and had a meeting with

841
00:44:54,089 --> 00:44:51,700
extraterrestrials and then came back and

842
00:44:58,890 --> 00:44:54,099
went to church the next morning and then

843
00:45:03,240 --> 00:44:58,900
had a big reception that evening I just

844
00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:03,250
don't buy that story however in 1955 he

845
00:45:09,329 --> 00:45:05,230
was on a quail hunting shrimp went on a

846
00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:09,339
quail hunting trip to Georgia and in

847
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:13,390
February in February of 1955 i think it

848
00:45:19,859 --> 00:45:17,920
was and his press secretary haggerty

849
00:45:23,059 --> 00:45:19,869
said he came down with James Hagerty

850
00:45:26,670 --> 00:45:23,069
said he came down with the sniffles and

851
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:26,680
so he'd be just having hot toddies with

852
00:45:30,539 --> 00:45:28,210
Mamie and her mother and playing

853
00:45:34,859 --> 00:45:30,549
Scrabble and what happened and what i

854
00:45:36,660 --> 00:45:34,869
sees under public you for 48 hours well

855
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:36,670
it's perfectly reasonable to think that

856
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:39,089
he could have gotten on columbine three

857
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:48,400
his plane and flown to a boy I bet my

858
00:45:56,910 --> 00:45:53,770
old mind escape radio but Apple space

859
00:45:58,829 --> 00:45:56,920
that do Mexico up anyway Holloman Air

860
00:46:00,510 --> 00:45:58,839
Force Base he always made so you don't

861
00:46:04,260 --> 00:46:00,520
think that there was a deal made to

862
00:46:06,299 --> 00:46:04,270
allow it is to take people let me let me

863
00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:06,309
say this I think that he did go to home

864
00:46:12,450 --> 00:46:08,950
on our floor space secretly high and

865
00:46:19,289 --> 00:46:12,460
I'll there are reports that they were

866
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:19,299
flying discs very oh I think substantial

867
00:46:25,230 --> 00:46:21,760
reports very very good reports that

868
00:46:28,140 --> 00:46:25,240
they're worse one or two or more flying

869
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:28,150
discs that showed up at Holloman Air

870
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:30,160
Force Base and I think Eisenhower was

871
00:46:35,490 --> 00:46:33,010
there and some very strange things have

872
00:46:37,350 --> 00:46:35,500
his plane landed on the runway and

873
00:46:40,890 --> 00:46:37,360
turned around and stopped on the runway

874
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:40,900
which in essence closed the runway while

875
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:42,850
he was there he didn't taxi to the

876
00:46:52,590 --> 00:46:48,130
tarmac and there were reports that there

877
00:46:54,660 --> 00:46:52,600
were flying discs there now there are

878
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:54,670
people that say that he got out of his

879
00:47:02,210 --> 00:46:57,520
plane and walked across the runway and

880
00:47:06,780 --> 00:47:02,220
got into this UFO and had a meeting arm

881
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:06,790
ladies that stretches my belief a bit

882
00:47:11,250 --> 00:47:08,890
that the Secret Service was let the

883
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:11,260
president the United States walk out of

884
00:47:17,940 --> 00:47:13,570
an airplane and get into a flying saucer

885
00:47:21,570 --> 00:47:17,950
from where album that could whisk him

886
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:21,580
off to goodness knows where that that

887
00:47:30,140 --> 00:47:25,570
stretches the solution is for me however

888
00:47:33,210 --> 00:47:30,150
I think that he may have met with

889
00:47:36,780 --> 00:47:33,220
extraterrestrials or he may have been

890
00:47:39,180 --> 00:47:36,790
there to view craft that were developed

891
00:47:45,330 --> 00:47:39,190
that were extraterrestrial craft that

892
00:47:47,730 --> 00:47:45,340
were flown by our own test pilots or had

893
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:47,740
been back engine craft that had been

894
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:53,920
back engineered and built arm but so did

895
00:47:59,420 --> 00:47:58,210
he make a treaty I don't know I mean how

896
00:48:04,050 --> 00:47:59,430
do you make a treaty with

897
00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:04,060
extraterrestrials who can enforce it

898
00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:06,550
well that's the thing I mean that's what

899
00:48:11,340 --> 00:48:08,710
we've heard from from some of our other

900
00:48:13,340 --> 00:48:11,350
guests exactly that that it was if there

901
00:48:16,860 --> 00:48:13,350
was a treaty it was unenforceable and

902
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,870
the agreement to take people and wipe

903
00:48:19,890 --> 00:48:18,640
their memories of the event or whatever

904
00:48:21,870 --> 00:48:19,900
it just wasn't happening the way they

905
00:48:25,260 --> 00:48:21,880
said it was happening what was going to

906
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:25,270
happen and it created a lot of issues

907
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:27,910
that the military or the alphabet

908
00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:30,640
agencies felt they had to clean up so

909
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:32,620
you see here's here's what the way I

910
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:35,110
think about this the technology part of

911
00:48:39,420 --> 00:48:37,570
this I understand what you're saying and

912
00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:39,430
certainly I think most people could

913
00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:42,430
understand that that we want this

914
00:48:46,109 --> 00:48:44,200
technology for ourselves we don't want

915
00:48:50,999 --> 00:48:46,119
to share it with anybody so sir

916
00:48:52,829 --> 00:48:51,009
can understand secrecy however if there

917
00:48:55,470 --> 00:48:52,839
was some agreement made that in return

918
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:55,480
you get to take people and do whatever

919
00:49:01,529 --> 00:48:58,210
you want to them I think it's just my

920
00:49:04,589 --> 00:49:01,539
opinion but I think that people would be

921
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,599
pretty upset about that they would feel

922
00:49:08,970 --> 00:49:06,400
that their government turned on them

923
00:49:11,999 --> 00:49:08,980
that the government didn't protect them

924
00:49:16,380 --> 00:49:12,009
all of those things i could see leading

925
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:16,390
to a massive uprising that I could see

926
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:20,319
San and and and the reason that the

927
00:49:28,109 --> 00:49:23,440
government wants to continue to contain

928
00:49:34,019 --> 00:49:28,119
the to continue to cover the story up

929
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:34,029
with such a deep secrecy because if it

930
00:49:39,930 --> 00:49:36,970
was revealed it would be so detrimental

931
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:39,940
to the government and I agree with you

932
00:49:49,739 --> 00:49:46,329
that that that the reason that we are we

933
00:49:52,829 --> 00:49:49,749
continue the United States continues as

934
00:49:56,299 --> 00:49:52,839
i said to bury its hand like a head like

935
00:49:59,549 --> 00:49:56,309
a stupid ostrich is because to reveal

936
00:50:02,339 --> 00:49:59,559
what they really know and what is really

937
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:02,349
known deep within the research recesses

938
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:06,130
of our government would be so damning to

939
00:50:13,309 --> 00:50:10,960
the government oh so hurtful for what

940
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:13,319
they've done in the past that they can't

941
00:50:20,729 --> 00:50:17,200
they just they they can't let the truth

942
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:20,739
out oh I think that's a very real

943
00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:24,910
possibility and and there's no question

944
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:27,369
in my mind that that many many laws have

945
00:50:36,690 --> 00:50:32,730
been broken in in this this subject

946
00:50:40,499 --> 00:50:36,700
possibly murders created lettuce has

947
00:50:44,910 --> 00:50:40,509
said happened and although a lot of

948
00:50:49,229 --> 00:50:44,920
people that are involved in those events

949
00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:49,239
in past history have long since gone it

950
00:50:57,749 --> 00:50:53,140
would still reflect terribly negatively

951
00:50:59,640 --> 00:50:57,759
on our government um which has a lot of

952
00:51:06,510 --> 00:50:59,650
things reflecting negatively on

953
00:51:09,930 --> 00:51:06,520
today you know oh yes sure oh yeah I

954
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:09,940
just I I think that I i think the

955
00:51:22,590 --> 00:51:16,450
disclosure Stephen Bassett who I respect

956
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:22,600
highly police disclosure is imminent I

957
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:26,290
think Steve is a is a very smart fellow

958
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:30,490
oh but I don't agree with I don't think

959
00:51:38,010 --> 00:51:33,370
the disclosure is imminent because I

960
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:38,020
think it would be too which is I say too

961
00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:43,450
hurtful to the government there would be

962
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:45,910
no benefit to them to reveal any of this

963
00:51:49,470 --> 00:51:47,650
what's the benefit to them I mean

964
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:49,480
certainly be a benefit to all of us but

965
00:51:54,750 --> 00:51:52,480
we're not even considered well that's it

966
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:54,760
that's you that's exactly right that's

967
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:56,890
the point I bring up in many of my

968
00:52:02,880 --> 00:51:59,200
interviews that that people ask you know

969
00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:02,890
what do you think of a disclosure that I

970
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:06,550
of a president's presidential disclosure

971
00:52:10,590 --> 00:52:09,040
if the president's know anything what

972
00:52:14,130 --> 00:52:10,600
would be the benefit in them telling

973
00:52:17,460 --> 00:52:14,140
right it would be the the benefit is is

974
00:52:21,210 --> 00:52:17,470
practically nil and and and the

975
00:52:26,070 --> 00:52:21,220
negatives would be extremely high and so

976
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:26,080
so why even come close to stay away from

977
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:29,170
it don't tell me about it you know yeah

978
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:31,210
i think that's that's accurate again the

979
00:52:36,210 --> 00:52:33,970
benefit would be to us and as citizens

980
00:52:38,690 --> 00:52:36,220
to know the truth it would not be to the

981
00:52:40,740 --> 00:52:38,700
government to divulge any of that so

982
00:52:43,590 --> 00:52:40,750
unfortunately we're in an Oscar them

983
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:43,600
situation with this issue and others and

984
00:52:48,330 --> 00:52:46,330
it's it's very unfortunate I think

985
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:48,340
because any place where their secrecy

986
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:50,800
where these things are being hidden it's

987
00:52:56,430 --> 00:52:53,170
really not for our benefit let's face it

988
00:53:01,470 --> 00:52:56,440
it's not for our benefit no no no it's

989
00:53:04,410 --> 00:53:01,480
not oh they make they may be people that

990
00:53:07,170 --> 00:53:04,420
say that it is but but no I don't think

991
00:53:08,970 --> 00:53:07,180
it is no it really is and I've got a lot

992
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:08,980
of questions that are backing up here in

993
00:53:13,620 --> 00:53:11,520
the chat room but I I'm just enjoying

994
00:53:16,769 --> 00:53:13,630
talking to you so much layer

995
00:53:18,269 --> 00:53:16,779
I haven't given them a chance so here's

996
00:53:21,390 --> 00:53:18,279
one quick question if we can answer

997
00:53:24,779 --> 00:53:21,400
before the break somebody's written in

998
00:53:27,210 --> 00:53:24,789
neutron is the name and neutron says was

999
00:53:29,730 --> 00:53:27,220
the UFO phenomenon responsible for the

1000
00:53:32,130 --> 00:53:29,740
contention and ongoing power struggles

1001
00:53:36,269 --> 00:53:32,140
between the Navy Army and later the Air

1002
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:36,279
Force uh in some respects yes it was

1003
00:53:42,859 --> 00:53:39,609
especially nearly years in the in the

1004
00:53:46,529 --> 00:53:42,869
40s and 50s there was a great deal of

1005
00:53:49,289 --> 00:53:46,539
discord not only within the Air Force

1006
00:53:53,940 --> 00:53:49,299
but within the Navy the Navy got very

1007
00:53:56,609 --> 00:53:53,950
very upset with the air force over a

1008
00:54:00,019 --> 00:53:56,619
couple of events which remote I won't go

1009
00:54:03,930 --> 00:54:00,029
into but the Navy they finally said nuts

1010
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:03,940
will will will take this up we have an

1011
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:06,880
office of naval intelligence will will

1012
00:54:11,999 --> 00:54:09,609
take the subject on ourselves and I

1013
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:12,009
think they did and I think the Navy

1014
00:54:19,950 --> 00:54:15,690
today probably knows as much or more

1015
00:54:22,589 --> 00:54:19,960
about the whole UFO story then the Air

1016
00:54:26,130 --> 00:54:22,599
Force does i think the Navy is deeply

1017
00:54:29,970 --> 00:54:26,140
involved in it and this goes into the

1018
00:54:31,470 --> 00:54:29,980
story of on to see UFOs and and and but

1019
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:31,480
i didn't know i think that there's been

1020
00:54:37,859 --> 00:54:34,450
a great deal of discord well within the

1021
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:37,869
services primarily between the the Air

1022
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:41,440
Force and the Navy interesting well and

1023
00:54:45,269 --> 00:54:43,089
I've got a piece to share with you that

1024
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:45,279
I also learned about the Navy's

1025
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:47,609
involvement from dr. Andrea puharich--

1026
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:50,170
because he said the same thing you did

1027
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:52,930
that the involvement from the Navy's

1028
00:54:56,519 --> 00:54:54,730
perspective was greater than any of the

1029
00:54:58,740 --> 00:54:56,529
other agencies so we're going to talk

1030
00:55:01,200 --> 00:54:58,750
about that but right now we've got to

1031
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:01,210
take a short break everybody what an

1032
00:55:05,279 --> 00:55:03,730
exciting show if you'd like to ask your

1033
00:55:08,759 --> 00:55:05,289
question in the chat room feel free to

1034
00:55:14,999 --> 00:55:08,769
do that otherwise you can call in at 8 8

1035
00:55:17,220 --> 00:55:15,009
8 9 192 355 we'd love to hear from you

1036
00:55:20,569 --> 00:55:17,230
we are speaking with Larry Holcomb who

1037
00:55:23,460 --> 00:55:20,579
is the author of the presidents and UFOs

1038
00:55:25,620 --> 00:55:23,470
stay tuned everybody we're listening to

1039
00:55:26,370 --> 00:55:25,630
supernatural girls radio we will be

1040
00:55:29,310 --> 00:55:26,380
right

1041
00:55:31,950 --> 00:55:29,320
back welcome back everyone you are

1042
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:31,960
listening to supernatural girls radio i

1043
00:55:38,340 --> 00:55:34,450
am your host patricia baker I'm here is

1044
00:55:41,340 --> 00:55:38,350
my co-host PK and are very exciting

1045
00:55:44,820 --> 00:55:41,350
guest Larry Holcomb who is the author of

1046
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:44,830
a terrific book it is called the

1047
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:48,640
presidents and UFOs and it was just

1048
00:55:53,700 --> 00:55:51,280
optioned by Sony Pictures you will be

1049
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:53,710
seeing it on the big screen or maybe

1050
00:55:57,390 --> 00:55:56,290
even on HBO we're not sure yet but it's

1051
00:56:00,090 --> 00:55:57,400
going to be out there somewhere you're

1052
00:56:02,250 --> 00:56:00,100
going to get to watch it it this book is

1053
00:56:04,890 --> 00:56:02,260
great you got to get the book it's an

1054
00:56:07,890 --> 00:56:04,900
amazing read great facts great

1055
00:56:12,270 --> 00:56:07,900
information and Larry I wanted to ask

1056
00:56:14,190 --> 00:56:12,280
you also some questions about these

1057
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:14,200
great stories that you've reported on

1058
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:17,170
like Nixon and Jackie Gleason can you

1059
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:24,850
tell us about that well the the Nixon

1060
00:56:34,020 --> 00:56:27,130
Gleason story has been around for a long

1061
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:34,030
time I put it in the book because it's

1062
00:56:43,980 --> 00:56:39,850
there it exists is it true we have

1063
00:56:47,820 --> 00:56:43,990
Gleason's ex-wife Beverly McKittrick

1064
00:56:52,490 --> 00:56:47,830
Gleason I think it was that was writing

1065
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:52,500
an article after she and glisan

1066
00:57:00,930 --> 00:56:56,170
separated or divorced and as the story

1067
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:00,940
goes they were still good friends but

1068
00:57:06,780 --> 00:57:03,760
she was going to write a book about her

1069
00:57:14,300 --> 00:57:06,790
life with gleason and in the book she

1070
00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:14,310
wrote that Gleason who without question

1071
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:20,110
had a great interest in UFOs were flying

1072
00:57:24,780 --> 00:57:22,450
saucers and the paranormal as a matter

1073
00:57:27,450 --> 00:57:24,790
of fact when he died he donated or he

1074
00:57:32,010 --> 00:57:27,460
did donate but his wife donated some

1075
00:57:36,510 --> 00:57:32,020
1,600 volumes of books that he had to

1076
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:36,520
the University of Miami library and I

1077
00:57:42,839 --> 00:57:40,160
have photographs of Gleason's hose

1078
00:57:46,450 --> 00:57:42,849
in I think it speaks killed New York

1079
00:57:49,569 --> 00:57:46,460
before he moved to Miami that was built

1080
00:57:52,990 --> 00:57:49,579
in the shape of a flying saucer her man

1081
00:57:56,799 --> 00:57:53,000
and and outbuildings that he called

1082
00:58:00,130 --> 00:57:56,809
Scout ships that were built that look

1083
00:58:01,990 --> 00:58:00,140
like flying saucers he had the architect

1084
00:58:05,319 --> 00:58:02,000
design them this way because he was he

1085
00:58:07,809 --> 00:58:05,329
was so fascinated by the subject then

1086
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:07,819
I've got pictures that are someone read

1087
00:58:13,839 --> 00:58:09,890
my book I had snuck onto the property

1088
00:58:16,420 --> 00:58:13,849
after Gleason didn't own and any longer

1089
00:58:18,849 --> 00:58:16,430
and had taken pictures of the houses and

1090
00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:18,859
their buildings I if I had him at the

1091
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:20,510
time they would have been in my book but

1092
00:58:28,930 --> 00:58:25,280
anyway yeah Gleason Gleason was very

1093
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:28,940
good friends with Richard Nixon Nixon to

1094
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:33,130
make this very short as I can Nixon

1095
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:35,680
people look on today as a villain

1096
00:58:41,020 --> 00:58:37,970
because of Watergate and what have you

1097
00:58:43,089 --> 00:58:41,030
but it a Nixon in his first term is

1098
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:43,099
extremely popular and if people remember

1099
00:58:49,150 --> 00:58:46,400
he was elected by reelected by almost a

1100
00:58:52,059 --> 00:58:49,160
historic majority of the popular vote

1101
00:58:53,740 --> 00:58:52,069
and the reason being was he had done

1102
00:58:57,150 --> 00:58:53,750
some dramatic things in foreign affairs

1103
00:59:00,609 --> 00:58:57,160
he had opened up relations with China

1104
00:59:02,940 --> 00:59:00,619
which had been a closed country he had

1105
00:59:06,819 --> 00:59:02,950
established to talk with the Russians

1106
00:59:10,210 --> 00:59:06,829
other foreign affairs achievements of

1107
00:59:16,839 --> 00:59:10,220
that probably or arguably made the world

1108
00:59:19,059 --> 00:59:16,849
a safer place for a while and if Nixon

1109
00:59:23,019 --> 00:59:19,069
could have added some level of

1110
00:59:26,650 --> 00:59:23,029
disclosure to his resume as president he

1111
00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:26,660
would have been a historic president as

1112
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:29,569
it was Watergate reared its ugly head

1113
00:59:39,579 --> 00:59:36,799
and Nixon's idea and inside of the heart

1114
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:39,589
of the book was the documentary that was

1115
00:59:50,099 --> 00:59:43,970
made by Robert Emma nagger that Nixon

1116
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:50,109
was going to use a for disclosure and

1117
00:59:56,890 --> 00:59:53,930
that I think that that's all

1118
00:59:59,230 --> 00:59:56,900
logical and reasonable because he was

1119
01:00:02,530 --> 00:59:59,240
such close friends with Jackie Gleason

1120
01:00:06,220 --> 01:00:02,540
Jackie Gleason was a strong believer in

1121
01:00:08,410 --> 01:00:06,230
an extraterrestrial presence and it

1122
01:00:10,569 --> 01:00:08,420
datura Blee irritated that the

1123
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:10,579
government would continue to conceal

1124
01:00:16,690 --> 01:00:13,250
what it knew about it and so it's it's

1125
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:16,700
it's beyond the pale to believe that

1126
01:00:21,549 --> 01:00:20,089
this man Gleason this entertainer close

1127
01:00:25,210 --> 01:00:21,559
friends with the President of the United

1128
01:00:30,790 --> 01:00:25,220
States would have not have bent Nixon's

1129
01:00:34,569 --> 01:00:30,800
ear to disclose or some level of

1130
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:34,579
disclosure or of UFOs or an

1131
01:00:39,849 --> 01:00:37,010
extraterrestrial presence yes makes

1132
01:00:41,620 --> 01:00:39,859
sense it really does I had no idea until

1133
01:00:44,349 --> 01:00:41,630
I read your book that Jackie Gleason was

1134
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:44,359
so interested in the paranormal I

1135
01:00:50,589 --> 01:00:46,490
probably liked our show but any was

1136
01:00:51,849 --> 01:00:50,599
reward oh yeah loyal listener may be on

1137
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:51,859
the other side he's listening tonight

1138
01:00:55,690 --> 01:00:54,079
but it's just one of those strange

1139
01:00:59,740 --> 01:00:55,700
stories that really caught my attention

1140
01:01:01,210 --> 01:00:59,750
that he Jackie Gleason may have we're

1141
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:01,220
not sure as you mentioned in your book

1142
01:01:05,230 --> 01:01:02,720
you're not sure if it's true or not but

1143
01:01:07,359 --> 01:01:05,240
he may have gotten to see some of the

1144
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:07,369
alien bodies that were being kept at

1145
01:01:12,940 --> 01:01:11,210
homestead Air Force Base Nixon it is the

1146
01:01:18,910 --> 01:01:12,950
one president that could have done this

1147
01:01:21,490 --> 01:01:18,920
I I believe that because Nixon was vice

1148
01:01:24,190 --> 01:01:21,500
president under Eisenhower for eight

1149
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:24,200
years and Eisenhower was deeply involved

1150
01:01:29,740 --> 01:01:26,720
in this subject so it's it's reasonable

1151
01:01:33,309 --> 01:01:29,750
to think that Nixon was brought into it

1152
01:01:37,589 --> 01:01:33,319
at some level so uh and he had a great

1153
01:01:41,079 --> 01:01:37,599
interest in it so the pieces seem to fit

1154
01:01:44,380 --> 01:01:41,089
whether he whether Nixon slipped away

1155
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,390
from the Secret Service got in the car

1156
01:01:48,730 --> 01:01:46,400
and drove over and picked leasing up and

1157
01:01:53,260 --> 01:01:48,740
took him to homestead Air Force Base to

1158
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:53,270
show him alien artifacts we can only go

1159
01:01:59,440 --> 01:01:56,720
by what his ex-wife says but it's a it's

1160
01:02:02,470 --> 01:01:59,450
an interesting story and and and there

1161
01:02:04,290 --> 01:02:02,480
are enough dots that are connectable in

1162
01:02:07,740 --> 01:02:04,300
this story

1163
01:02:10,140 --> 01:02:07,750
to make it really quite interesting yeah

1164
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:10,150
I found that to be fascinating and then

1165
01:02:16,350 --> 01:02:12,310
his ex-wife also said that it affected

1166
01:02:18,660 --> 01:02:16,360
Jackie Gleason so profoundly that he

1167
01:02:22,140 --> 01:02:18,670
started to drink a lot more and he was

1168
01:02:24,780 --> 01:02:22,150
very upset that it couldn't eat and he

1169
01:02:27,450 --> 01:02:24,790
was very upset that people did not know

1170
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:27,460
about this that there wasn't disclosure

1171
01:02:31,590 --> 01:02:29,680
it really bothered him that's hard to

1172
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:31,600
believe the Gleason could drive only did

1173
01:02:38,940 --> 01:02:36,010
no but I say that I should have said

1174
01:02:41,010 --> 01:02:38,950
that because I personnel like Gleason a

1175
01:02:44,820 --> 01:02:41,020
lot he was a great entertainer yeah but

1176
01:02:49,590 --> 01:02:44,830
uh but uh yeah he did have a reputation

1177
01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:49,600
for room uh dippin is quite a bit yes

1178
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:51,310
you did well now the other story that

1179
01:02:55,620 --> 01:02:53,170
caught my attention there's so many in

1180
01:02:58,800 --> 01:02:55,630
your book they're all really intriguing

1181
01:03:01,020 --> 01:02:58,810
but the one about Carter because as you

1182
01:03:03,540 --> 01:03:01,030
bring out the book there are some

1183
01:03:07,350 --> 01:03:03,550
presidents that have been given more

1184
01:03:10,260 --> 01:03:07,360
information than others now Carter was

1185
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:10,270
briefed by someone called I believe you

1186
01:03:17,420 --> 01:03:13,690
called him the Guardian no that was that

1187
01:03:21,060 --> 01:03:17,430
was Carter was briefed by George HW Bush

1188
01:03:24,450 --> 01:03:21,070
who was who was ahead of Central

1189
01:03:27,740 --> 01:03:24,460
Intelligence at that time and a lot of

1190
01:03:31,170 --> 01:03:27,750
stories about you know people say that

1191
01:03:33,060 --> 01:03:31,180
that George HW Bush went and said mr.

1192
01:03:35,790 --> 01:03:33,070
president you don't have the need to

1193
01:03:37,710 --> 01:03:35,800
know for this information I don't know

1194
01:03:39,930 --> 01:03:37,720
if those stories are true or not I don't

1195
01:03:41,820 --> 01:03:39,940
know why as I say in the book that he

1196
01:03:44,850 --> 01:03:41,830
would have done that the the person

1197
01:03:48,690 --> 01:03:44,860
you're referring to to keep the oh I

1198
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:48,700
contra what was his name really cool but

1199
01:03:57,780 --> 01:03:53,440
uh uh that he briefed the story is that

1200
01:04:03,060 --> 01:03:57,790
he he briefed Reagan he moved uh that

1201
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:03,070
was that was the caretaker I think his

1202
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:06,370
name was he was Chris Oh second he and

1203
01:04:16,140 --> 01:04:12,490
yeah and he briefed Reagan again that

1204
01:04:18,330 --> 01:04:16,150
story is in my dubious file however I

1205
01:04:21,540 --> 01:04:18,340
have listened to it and I've read

1206
01:04:24,450 --> 01:04:21,550
transcripts of it and the thing that I

1207
01:04:28,260 --> 01:04:24,460
find fascinating about it is that it's

1208
01:04:33,930 --> 01:04:28,270
very Reagan esque in in Reagan's replies

1209
01:04:37,740 --> 01:04:33,940
it sounds like Reagan and and you know

1210
01:04:40,110 --> 01:04:37,750
all of these documents that I talked

1211
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:40,120
about that are not official documents

1212
01:04:47,570 --> 01:04:42,130
that have been released through foyer

1213
01:04:52,260 --> 01:04:47,580
but documents that are documents that

1214
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:52,270
have been leaked you have to read the

1215
01:04:59,490 --> 01:04:56,170
documents and and and most of them are

1216
01:05:01,620 --> 01:04:59,500
photocopies so they're not on paper then

1217
01:05:04,050 --> 01:05:01,630
I don't know they don't have original

1218
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:04,060
inks that can you can do forensic

1219
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:06,490
testing on and what have you so you have

1220
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:11,050
to read the documents and and and see if

1221
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:18,000
the pros matches the pros that would be

1222
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:21,570
written in in that particular time frame

1223
01:05:26,070 --> 01:05:24,250
quite a detective when you go through

1224
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:26,080
all of the stuff you've got to put all

1225
01:05:31,020 --> 01:05:29,530
the pieces together I know it's again as

1226
01:05:32,730 --> 01:05:31,030
I'm so impressed by the amount of work

1227
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:32,740
you've done to create this book for all

1228
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:34,690
of us to read but I want to go back to

1229
01:05:39,390 --> 01:05:37,450
Carter for a second because in the book

1230
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:39,400
it's reported and I've also heard this

1231
01:05:44,850 --> 01:05:41,890
story elsewhere that after he was

1232
01:05:47,940 --> 01:05:44,860
briefed he went into his office put his

1233
01:05:51,810 --> 01:05:47,950
hands in his hand excuse me his head in

1234
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:51,820
his hands and started sobbing now what

1235
01:05:57,060 --> 01:05:54,970
in the world was he told we can only I

1236
01:06:02,010 --> 01:05:57,070
guess imagine what in the world would

1237
01:06:04,860 --> 01:06:02,020
would strike him so deeply that he would

1238
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:04,870
just start crying

1239
01:06:13,090 --> 01:06:10,570
well that it opens up a lot of questions

1240
01:06:15,490 --> 01:06:13,100
first of all did it actually happen we

1241
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:15,500
don't know for sure that happen but if

1242
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:20,930
it did happen then it goes back to some

1243
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:26,240
people's theory that that the reason we

1244
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:29,690
are not being told the truth is that the

1245
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:33,440
truth is too terrible for the people to

1246
01:06:42,130 --> 01:06:38,570
know I don't personally by that but I

1247
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:42,140
don't discount it either you know you

1248
01:06:50,170 --> 01:06:44,690
can't you've got to have an open mind in

1249
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:50,180
in in the discussions of UFOs and your

1250
01:06:54,430 --> 01:06:52,010
volunteers you have to have an open mind

1251
01:07:04,770 --> 01:06:54,440
but you also have to have a skeptical

1252
01:07:09,730 --> 01:07:04,780
mind and and so if that story is true Oh

1253
01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:09,740
what could be so terrible perhaps there

1254
01:07:23,260 --> 01:07:17,710
is some very sinister background to this

1255
01:07:27,330 --> 01:07:23,270
UFO story but the facts don't seem to

1256
01:07:31,870 --> 01:07:27,340
indicate that because I think that that

1257
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:31,880
we have been visited for hundreds of

1258
01:07:37,530 --> 01:07:34,400
thousands of years perhaps prebuilt

1259
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:37,540
times yeah I agree with that and and and

1260
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:41,810
if they wanted to do us harm they could

1261
01:07:50,350 --> 01:07:45,770
have done it a long time ago now maybe

1262
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:50,360
they are some out there that are not so

1263
01:08:01,060 --> 01:07:55,970
benevolent but maybe we do have maybe we

1264
01:08:04,270 --> 01:08:01,070
are the ancestors our ancestors are a

1265
01:08:06,940 --> 01:08:04,280
race of extraterrestrials that are very

1266
01:08:10,030 --> 01:08:06,950
benevolent and that look after us and

1267
01:08:12,490 --> 01:08:10,040
protect us that's another you know

1268
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:12,500
that's yeah that's a possibility highly

1269
01:08:17,070 --> 01:08:15,200
speculative yes but I think we have to

1270
01:08:20,340 --> 01:08:17,080
go down that road because we

1271
01:08:22,410 --> 01:08:20,350
don't really have the truth from from

1272
01:08:24,090 --> 01:08:22,420
these people directly but I'm thinking

1273
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:24,100
could Carter have done this a he seems

1274
01:08:28,230 --> 01:08:25,600
like he would be the type that would

1275
01:08:30,270 --> 01:08:28,240
something affected him emotionally he

1276
01:08:32,460 --> 01:08:30,280
would do something like you would let it

1277
01:08:35,099 --> 01:08:32,470
out he would have an emotional outburst

1278
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:35,109
of just sobbing about it now what I

1279
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:37,120
think it fits yeah I think it fits the

1280
01:08:45,210 --> 01:08:42,370
the the Carter mold uh if Carter Carter

1281
01:08:47,370 --> 01:08:45,220
was you know he was he was very

1282
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:47,380
religious son school teacher and what

1283
01:08:53,670 --> 01:08:50,050
have you and I could see that that this

1284
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:53,680
could affect him greatly if if that was

1285
01:09:00,360 --> 01:08:57,370
true that he would be he he would

1286
01:09:02,910 --> 01:09:00,370
certainly be a president that would fit

1287
01:09:06,420 --> 01:09:02,920
into that into that picture where some

1288
01:09:09,150 --> 01:09:06,430
of us wouldn't yes exactly now what I

1289
01:09:11,099 --> 01:09:09,160
was thinking about today was what would

1290
01:09:14,220 --> 01:09:11,109
make him do that and there's what came

1291
01:09:16,829 --> 01:09:14,230
to my mind what if he was told something

1292
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:16,839
along these lines that the truth about

1293
01:09:24,090 --> 01:09:19,570
the human race is this we are a genetic

1294
01:09:28,590 --> 01:09:24,100
experiment of alien birth I mean it's we

1295
01:09:31,020 --> 01:09:28,600
are their experiment I think about the

1296
01:09:33,660 --> 01:09:31,030
impact it would have on religions think

1297
01:09:35,820 --> 01:09:33,670
about the impact that would have on so

1298
01:09:37,470 --> 01:09:35,830
many faith-based situations and

1299
01:09:41,190 --> 01:09:37,480
certainly as you mentioned Carter was

1300
01:09:45,060 --> 01:09:41,200
very religious so that it to me this is

1301
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:45,070
something that piece of information it's

1302
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:48,250
not sinister but the implications would

1303
01:09:54,450 --> 01:09:51,210
be much greater if that was the case

1304
01:09:57,650 --> 01:09:54,460
absolutely i mean a as i said you've got

1305
01:10:02,300 --> 01:09:57,660
to have an open mind to be able to

1306
01:10:06,500 --> 01:10:02,310
accept all possibilities and and that's

1307
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:06,510
that's great that's quite possible i

1308
01:10:13,860 --> 01:10:10,330
would you know you've you've raised my

1309
01:10:16,230 --> 01:10:13,870
interests on Carter and in that one

1310
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:16,240
event and I want to do more research on

1311
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:19,690
that okay I will I won't i won't look

1312
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:24,210
into that in more depth because that

1313
01:10:33,089 --> 01:10:27,280
you've raised you've raised

1314
01:10:35,010 --> 01:10:33,099
you've raised a real ? in my mind and I

1315
01:10:38,939 --> 01:10:35,020
appreciate you thank you oh good well

1316
01:10:40,919 --> 01:10:38,949
I'm as interested as I am in that

1317
01:10:44,850 --> 01:10:40,929
because that was my question what would

1318
01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:44,860
precipitate that type of experience for

1319
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:47,710
Carter to go into his his office and do

1320
01:10:52,609 --> 01:10:50,770
that so yeah that there's something that

1321
01:10:55,020 --> 01:10:52,619
we need to know and certainly that

1322
01:10:57,899 --> 01:10:55,030
theory that hypothesis would go along

1323
01:10:59,850 --> 01:10:57,909
with why they take people why they

1324
01:11:02,490 --> 01:10:59,860
abduct people why they do all of these

1325
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:02,500
cattle mutilations those types of thing

1326
01:11:06,930 --> 01:11:04,449
it would kind of fit into that another

1327
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:06,940
piece in that puzzle you know you have

1328
01:11:12,359 --> 01:11:09,250
to you go back and look at the

1329
01:11:15,629 --> 01:11:12,369
president's that had a great interest in

1330
01:11:18,629 --> 01:11:15,639
in UFOs modern presidents and you go

1331
01:11:21,899 --> 01:11:18,639
back to Jerry Ford when he was a

1332
01:11:24,209 --> 01:11:21,909
congressman from Michigan and they had a

1333
01:11:26,879 --> 01:11:24,219
great UFO flap in Michigan and he wrote

1334
01:11:29,899 --> 01:11:26,889
a number of letters one I have a copy of

1335
01:11:33,089 --> 01:11:29,909
two mental rubbers to have congressional

1336
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:33,099
investigations into this UFO phenomena

1337
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:35,679
because of what occurred in his his

1338
01:11:42,540 --> 01:11:39,130
content constituents were hammering him

1339
01:11:44,399 --> 01:11:42,550
to find out what was going on you had

1340
01:11:46,169 --> 01:11:44,409
James Jimmy Carter that had his own

1341
01:11:49,979 --> 01:11:46,179
sighting and said when he got into

1342
01:11:53,819 --> 01:11:49,989
office he would he would release all UFO

1343
01:11:59,029 --> 01:11:53,829
information you had Ronald Reagan that

1344
01:12:02,669 --> 01:11:59,039
had sightings Bill Clinton said that

1345
01:12:07,229 --> 01:12:02,679
when he got into office he was going to

1346
01:12:08,700 --> 01:12:07,239
investigate the UFO issue you take all

1347
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:08,710
these presidents and once they got into

1348
01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:11,110
office you really heard nothing that's

1349
01:12:16,890 --> 01:12:13,630
right you heard nothing and you have to

1350
01:12:20,430 --> 01:12:16,900
wonder what shut him down right why did

1351
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:20,440
they not talk now Reagan it's reported

1352
01:12:26,939 --> 01:12:23,440
that Reagan that his advisers or

1353
01:12:30,810 --> 01:12:26,949
handlers if you feel had to put a had

1354
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:30,820
had to keep him close watch on Reagan to

1355
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:33,280
keep him from saying too much because he

1356
01:12:38,370 --> 01:12:36,489
he had I think Reagan was really

1357
01:12:40,140 --> 01:12:38,380
interested and he brought the he brought

1358
01:12:40,590 --> 01:12:40,150
the subject up and I think he probably I

1359
01:12:44,300 --> 01:12:40,600
think

1360
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:44,310
Reagan probably knew a lot more than

1361
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:48,810
than other presidents of in that era and

1362
01:12:57,420 --> 01:12:54,480
he wanted to to let it out uh and they

1363
01:13:03,750 --> 01:12:57,430
his people kind of had to keep the lid

1364
01:13:06,570 --> 01:13:03,760
on him a bit but it is interesting that

1365
01:13:08,340 --> 01:13:06,580
all these presidents that said there was

1366
01:13:10,410 --> 01:13:08,350
that had such great interest in it

1367
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:10,420
before they got into office once they

1368
01:13:15,900 --> 01:13:12,490
got into office they basically became a

1369
01:13:17,550 --> 01:13:15,910
clam that's right they just they acted

1370
01:13:19,230 --> 01:13:17,560
like they had no more interest in it so

1371
01:13:21,390 --> 01:13:19,240
yeah something had to be shared with

1372
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:21,400
them that made them change their opinion

1373
01:13:32,180 --> 01:13:24,640
about disclosure something happened yeah

1374
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:32,190
yeah yeah who knows how you how and

1375
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:35,110
someone from the CIA sat down and said

1376
01:13:41,670 --> 01:13:38,890
in essence mr. president here's some

1377
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:41,680
basic facts keep your mouth shut in a

1378
01:13:47,130 --> 01:13:45,280
nice way right right and then again

1379
01:13:48,450 --> 01:13:47,140
there's some question as you mentioned

1380
01:13:51,060 --> 01:13:48,460
in your book and you go through some

1381
01:13:53,730 --> 01:13:51,070
possibilities was Kennedy assassinated

1382
01:13:58,620 --> 01:13:53,740
because he was digging into this and he

1383
01:14:00,690 --> 01:13:58,630
wasn't backing off the Kennedy chapter

1384
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:00,700
was the hardest chapter I had to write

1385
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:04,000
and I state that in the book because it

1386
01:14:16,290 --> 01:14:10,690
I was drawn into the conspiracy theory

1387
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:16,300
of Kennedy's assassination and I don't

1388
01:14:20,250 --> 01:14:18,130
really care who pulled the trigger I

1389
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:20,260
don't care whether it was Lee Harvey

1390
01:14:24,750 --> 01:14:22,810
Oswald or whether there was a half a

1391
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:24,760
dozen people out there to pull the

1392
01:14:30,750 --> 01:14:27,250
trigger at the same time that's not my

1393
01:14:35,190 --> 01:14:30,760
interest my interest is what was behind

1394
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:35,200
it what was the the the the conspiracy

1395
01:14:51,060 --> 01:14:40,530
and and and was Kennedy's association

1396
01:14:54,270 --> 01:14:51,070
with a certain people dr. Wenzel part

1397
01:14:56,790 --> 01:14:54,280
Lundahl we great photo interpretation

1398
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:56,800
specialist that was involved in the

1399
01:15:01,290 --> 01:14:58,480
Cuban Missile Crisis who along with

1400
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:01,300
Kelly Johnson were convinced that ufos

1401
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:03,610
or extraterrestrial and was an adviser

1402
01:15:12,690 --> 01:15:09,130
to Kennedy James Jesus Angleton the very

1403
01:15:15,330 --> 01:15:12,700
shadowy deputy director of the CIA head

1404
01:15:19,950 --> 01:15:15,340
of counterintelligence all these people

1405
01:15:25,410 --> 01:15:19,960
fit into the into the picture and Donald

1406
01:15:28,740 --> 01:15:25,420
Menzel who was a wrote books debunking

1407
01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:28,750
UFOs but was said to be a member of the

1408
01:15:34,140 --> 01:15:32,080
original majestic-12 group was an

1409
01:15:38,570 --> 01:15:34,150
advisor to Kennedy I've got a letter

1410
01:15:44,940 --> 01:15:38,580
that I got out of the Kennedy Library

1411
01:15:48,420 --> 01:15:44,950
from Donald Menzel that addressed the

1412
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:48,430
president is Jack dear jack you don't

1413
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:50,770
address a sitting president by his first

1414
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:52,480
name and they seem pretty close to him

1415
01:15:59,370 --> 01:15:56,770
yeah so that's all in the book and I

1416
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:59,380
just say here's the here's the

1417
01:16:05,370 --> 01:16:01,360
information here's the information on

1418
01:16:08,490 --> 01:16:05,380
the burn memo as you've all read in the

1419
01:16:10,590 --> 01:16:08,500
book right oh the final the final tab

1420
01:16:13,980 --> 01:16:10,600
page of the burn memo which goes into

1421
01:16:18,210 --> 01:16:13,990
the operation must become wet which is a

1422
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:18,220
code word for assassinations these are

1423
01:16:24,270 --> 01:16:21,090
the facts as they exist are they true

1424
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:24,280
can you connect the dots it's up to you

1425
01:16:28,980 --> 01:16:27,040
the reader to look into this and see if

1426
01:16:32,370 --> 01:16:28,990
you think these docs are dots are

1427
01:16:34,170 --> 01:16:32,380
connectable exactly and again you you

1428
01:16:35,490 --> 01:16:34,180
present a very compelling case I don't

1429
01:16:37,530 --> 01:16:35,500
think anybody could read your book and

1430
01:16:41,100 --> 01:16:37,540
walk away from it thinking that UFOs do

1431
01:16:43,140 --> 01:16:41,110
not exist they obviously do and I've

1432
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:43,150
known this for years in opk you've known

1433
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:45,850
this for years and it's just that your

1434
01:16:52,170 --> 01:16:48,130
book is so well done and you also bring

1435
01:16:53,460 --> 01:16:52,180
up the Obama administration and again

1436
01:16:55,980 --> 01:16:53,470
it's all they're all full of hot air

1437
01:16:59,700 --> 01:16:55,990
everybody talks a good game till they

1438
01:17:04,260 --> 01:16:59,710
become president and then they're there

1439
01:17:08,340 --> 01:17:04,270
to stay act is interested well oh

1440
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:08,350
Patricia I'm when I wrote the book you

1441
01:17:12,660 --> 01:17:10,570
know and that's current affairs and

1442
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:12,670
things change when I wrote the book I

1443
01:17:18,420 --> 01:17:15,130
really didn't think Obama new hardly

1444
01:17:20,580 --> 01:17:18,430
anything Oh fearful that you yes ah

1445
01:17:22,860 --> 01:17:20,590
however after he's been on Jimmy Kimmel

1446
01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:22,870
and he's made the statements that he

1447
01:17:28,470 --> 01:17:25,840
made on Jimmy Kimmel I'm starting to

1448
01:17:31,140 --> 01:17:28,480
reassess that opinion and say that maybe

1449
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:31,150
he was briefed more than I thought he

1450
01:17:35,700 --> 01:17:33,250
was briefed and when he made the

1451
01:17:38,820 --> 01:17:35,710
statement in kind of laughing but it was

1452
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:38,830
a nervous laugh that they don't let us

1453
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:41,770
talk about that uh-huh maybe maybe he's

1454
01:17:47,850 --> 01:17:44,530
telling the truth you know maybe they

1455
01:17:51,690 --> 01:17:47,860
may be they are brief and I believe they

1456
01:17:55,260 --> 01:17:51,700
are to a certain level but they are told

1457
01:17:57,540 --> 01:17:55,270
that you know presidents under security

1458
01:17:59,010 --> 01:17:57,550
glances like everybody else that's in

1459
01:18:01,140 --> 01:17:59,020
government they have a security

1460
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:01,150
clearance that they're bound to keep

1461
01:18:14,310 --> 01:18:12,150
I think that that Obama may know more

1462
01:18:17,190 --> 01:18:14,320
than I thought he do when I wrote the

1463
01:18:18,690 --> 01:18:17,200
book mm-hmm that's quite possible but it

1464
01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:18,700
sounds like from everybody wrote about

1465
01:18:25,830 --> 01:18:22,510
Nixon knew the most would you say ah i

1466
01:18:28,380 --> 01:18:25,840
would say the dixon in the modern era

1467
01:18:33,570 --> 01:18:28,390
but i think that that's probably true

1468
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:33,580
minh and Eisenhower were deeply involved

1469
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:37,690
in it and and and i think the Nixon has

1470
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:39,970
an offshoot of that being vice president

1471
01:18:45,410 --> 01:18:42,400
under eyes now for eight years I think

1472
01:18:51,170 --> 01:18:45,420
it comes into that that fold too so

1473
01:18:54,690 --> 01:18:51,180
Lyndon Johnson that's a little squirrely

1474
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:54,700
but I think that that he was in the mix

1475
01:19:01,320 --> 01:18:57,570
also but I think after Nixon it got

1476
01:19:06,270 --> 01:19:01,330
they'd really what presidents knew was

1477
01:19:11,190 --> 01:19:06,280
really closely monitored and and and

1478
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:11,200
their knowledge was was stripped or cut

1479
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:13,690
back greatly yes it does seem that way

1480
01:19:17,530 --> 01:19:15,130
it sounds like they were much more

1481
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:17,540
restricted after Nixon

1482
01:19:21,490 --> 01:19:19,730
and so things were not given as freely

1483
01:19:24,220 --> 01:19:21,500
as they have been in the past to the

1484
01:19:26,500 --> 01:19:24,230
president's so you talk a little bit too

1485
01:19:29,950 --> 01:19:26,510
in your book Larry about what we can do

1486
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:29,960
to try to get disclosure to happen I

1487
01:19:34,270 --> 01:19:31,850
don't know if we're going to be powerful

1488
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:34,280
enough as a group to do that but

1489
01:19:39,060 --> 01:19:36,650
certainly as you say in your book it is

1490
01:19:41,380 --> 01:19:39,070
important to make your voice heard and

1491
01:19:42,970 --> 01:19:41,390
send your letters your representatives

1492
01:19:45,070 --> 01:19:42,980
and things like that and make a stink

1493
01:19:48,370 --> 01:19:45,080
about it that why are we being kept in

1494
01:19:51,070 --> 01:19:48,380
the dark so that is something we can do

1495
01:19:53,140 --> 01:19:51,080
yes you can talk about it yes you should

1496
01:19:55,480 --> 01:19:53,150
there are so many people that have

1497
01:19:59,230 --> 01:19:55,490
sightings that are legitimate people

1498
01:20:02,470 --> 01:19:59,240
that that that are you know everyday

1499
01:20:05,730 --> 01:20:02,480
folks but they they they have legitimate

1500
01:20:12,070 --> 01:20:05,740
sightings and they should report them I

1501
01:20:14,890 --> 01:20:12,080
I write about a young lady that was had

1502
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:14,900
a I think an astounding sighting and I

1503
01:20:21,310 --> 01:20:18,290
believe her completely in in California

1504
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:21,320
in San from California and she had not

1505
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:24,800
told anyone about her sighting until my

1506
01:20:31,980 --> 01:20:29,450
book came out and my my agent put me in

1507
01:20:35,260 --> 01:20:31,990
contact with her and we talked about

1508
01:20:37,660 --> 01:20:35,270
possibilities for my book but I found

1509
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:37,670
out that she had had a sighting that was

1510
01:20:42,670 --> 01:20:40,370
a remarkable and I put it in the book

1511
01:20:44,620 --> 01:20:42,680
but she never reported it yeah the

1512
01:20:46,210 --> 01:20:44,630
reason the reason she didn't report it

1513
01:20:48,580 --> 01:20:46,220
was she thought he would hurt her career

1514
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:48,590
she had a very high-profile job in

1515
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:50,930
Hollywood that's the thing that that's

1516
01:20:55,540 --> 01:20:53,090
what people face unfortunately and

1517
01:20:57,670 --> 01:20:55,550
that's not the way it should be but

1518
01:20:59,560 --> 01:20:57,680
Larry I we can't thank you enough for

1519
01:21:01,600 --> 01:20:59,570
coming on the show this hour and a half

1520
01:21:03,190 --> 01:21:01,610
went in the blink of an eye we're going

1521
01:21:04,750 --> 01:21:03,200
to have to have you back there's still a

1522
01:21:06,970 --> 01:21:04,760
whole bunch of other things we haven't

1523
01:21:09,730 --> 01:21:06,980
talked about with you but good luck with

1524
01:21:11,380 --> 01:21:09,740
your movie and and oh my goodness thank

1525
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:11,390
you so much for writing this great book

1526
01:21:17,530 --> 01:21:14,410
everybody it's the presidents and UFOs

1527
01:21:19,480 --> 01:21:17,540
be sure to tune in tomorrow night to

1528
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:19,490
listen to Renee Barnett show a night

1529
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:21,890
vision the Oklahoma Girl Scout murders

1530
01:21:28,030 --> 01:21:25,610
and thanks everybody for listening thank

1531
01:21:28,980 --> 01:21:28,040
you again Larry and we will see you all

1532
01:21:31,740 --> 01:21:28,990
next

1533
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:31,750
week for part two of The Girl Scout